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Everyone and their cat is talking about witches. But what is a witch or medicine woman or priestess? How does one become one? And what is the common thread between women who identify as such magical creatures? Welcome to the witch hunt podcast, where we hold space for healing conversations that collectively explore these questions with the intention of celebrating of illuminating and elevating the rise of feminine energy magic and self sourced power. All in a world that's gone pretty much mental. Every new and full moon host is Aleksandra Beckel Hughes, who identifies as all three of these sacred tights, in her own weird way, invites you to brew some tea to light a candle, and to join her in her conversations with witches, medicine, women, priestesses, and other magical creatures from around the world. So come gather to share in the knowledge, experience, magic and sacred stories of those women, who, once hunted to be burned at the stake, are now hunted, to be held in the light, so that they so that we can illuminate the way.
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We need to normalize suffering. People are training themselves to feel good all the time. When people come to me to work and do therapy, I don't I love you. But I don't need to hear a bunch of good times good is good. It's easy. It's done. Our character is defined who we are as defined on how we respond in the hard times. And so let's figure out how to navigate the hard times.
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Welcome to Episode 54 of the witch hunt podcast. This is a conversation that dances at the intersection of love, anger, and the healing medicine of the sacred masculine. We talk about the importance of not only normalizing struggle in our day to day lives, but learning how to navigate it, and the plethora of feelings it offers up and to do so with neutrality, wisdom, perspective and a good sense of humor. We also talk about things that nobody else talks about, like how egoic growth accompanies our spiritual growth, and why it's important to stay conscious of this. We talk about the importance of healing from empathy, especially for women. And the magic that lives in your raging eye of the storm. Hold on to your broomsticks which is as you take in the power wisdom and healing words of the beautiful of the incredibly wise OSA Natalie Fraser
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welcome OSA Natalie Fraser. I am so delighted to have you on the witch hunt podcast and I really can't wait to dive into this conversation. Would you be willing to give our listeners the privilege of your off the cuff introduction I am OSA Natalie Fraser i
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at the essence of messenger of love. Because I believe that in life My motto is be love, see love, give love, receive love.
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And I use that in many diverse ways through being a healer, minister, a witch a facilitator, and artists trainer many things but they all stem
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from the core of what connects us all which is love. Yeah, but I've been having a day Natalie so I'm just gonna say when you said Be Loved see love give love, receive love. Because our love because we are alive. The word that came up for me was how
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I think we will dive into how you can book a session and I'll teach you how
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it is that's that's my life purpose. I really believe that is my calling in life and is to Yes, use the healthy masculine to create an A formula a template, a very straightforward, accessible way for people to learn how to have emotional intelligence and self regulate and live mindfully from love without feeling like they need to kill off their ego but actually learn how to be in partnership with it and live a kind and graceful life. Yeah, as it should be with lots of hilarious wipeouts as well. Yeah, well that is life right? That is life. I think what I wasn't prepared for like after all the yoga and meditation and mindfulness
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classes, life coaching and everything else was sort of the, the, the state of the world affairs. It's like an extra layer today. But anyway, and what probably ended up talking about that, I see that as the key for me has been to learn how to be the Eye of the Storm not to think that you're going to end the storm, learn how to middle and learn when, when people call for us don't go into the storm to get them where the big bright lining light in the middle. And they can see us. That's why they called out. And so we can just put out our hand for them to come to us. The eye of the storm. That's correct. Yeah, we are gonna go there. Because I have had the privilege of being guided through that exercise in which school when you gave us the gift of your teaching, but let's start where I always start because I want to know, I want to know why you said yes to a podcast called Witch Hunt. But I kind of have an idea of that, like what being a witch means to you. And I'd love to get to know a little bit of your life story, your lived experience in relationship with that word and with the spiritual world kind of journey that that you've been on. Like some people who have been on some women who've been on the podcast have said, you know, as a child, I was magic and something squashed it. But then it awoke. When this happened. Other people have said I've always always had it and it was never squashed inside of me somehow. I'm just I like to know that my new shot like, what what does that story look like for you? Well, you press forward several words. You said which priestess, Medicine Woman and the one I'm most comfortable with? Well, first of all, I'm not comfortable with naming myself. I find that I'm the other should name me. But out of the three, the one I most identify with is medicine woman. And I define the role of witch priestess or medicine woman as someone who offers example, and guidance on living authentically from love. Very much similar to what I just said. And I did have clues to it my whole life and and I can see it that in hindsight, I don't know that I knew that's what it was when I was a kid. I started practicing at 21. I fell in love for the first time and
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my partner ended up becoming a heroin addict. And I took him to a doctor who couldn't help him, but then took me under his wing turned out he was a medical doctor, a psychotherapist, an acupuncturist and a healer. And he just started giving me patients and training me in this unconventional way for over 22 years. And then so bright then all of a sudden, that was magic to me. That was what how did this happen? Why are you doing this? Why is it permitted? It's not conventional. But it was on a deep level. I knew it was right. That's part of being which the knowingness over the thought. So that was the one of the first that 20 When I started. So do you feel like it was about you know, like, that is clearly a hard moment when you're taking your, your, for your first love, you know, to a doctor because they're a heroin addict. Right? So do you feel like it was kind of the intensity of that moment that broke something open? Or do you think that this teacher sort of saw something and then you kind of working with them? It just began to unfold and unfold and unfold and unfold? Or was it a combination of the two. It was much the latter, but it it did evolve over time, but it really wasn't it was just an instantaneous realisation of him reflecting myself back to myself. It's like I always knew and then someone just in the moment that I'd never met before saw me as I saw myself and didn't did things that I would never have said out loud or if I had would have been told I was a loser or okie are crunchy granola or crazy mental health issues. Right away everything that I had concealed, as in my powerful feminine, which is where it's rooted in, was seen by a man and reflected back to me and I it wasn't to give the man my power, but it was so beautiful, in a universal uninhibited not just in the feminine but in the I have been reflected. This man gave me my spark sees my essence and through his healthy masculine said let's go wow, you know, I have never that's such a I've never heard a story like that on the podcast. I've never I mean, I've heard a story like that.
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where it was a woman. But I've never heard a story like that where it was a man. And how beautiful is that? Yeah. Yeah. And enough and then so that was in my 20s. But I didn't see it. I didn't call it which work. It was, again hindsight it was because I see all the work I do as synonymous. However, I've been married more than once. And my last marriage, I was married to a man who had two grown daughters. And one of them while both of them ended up having deep emotional crisis. And one of them ended up. She was studying at St. Paul's, in her last year, decided she wanted to go abroad, and went to go to Finn horn in Scotland to study for a year and never made it and ended up in a cult.
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And we spent a year hunting for her and using Interpol and everything Scottish guard. And the way we found her is I use spell, I went and found her in dream time. And I saw and I, we found her. Now that really angered her, because she said, I didn't have permission. And I said, it's okay any parent, even if you're my stepchild, you get you don't have to like me.
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We did it as we tried everything. And it was in the end that my husband asked me who was embarrassed by my work, in the end said Help. Like my father on his dead, deathbed finally said, right before death helped me now, right. And at the same time, as the one daughter, the other daughter was in a, had a head injury. And then just, she also never really liked me, but she had a baby, born on my birthday. And she decided that I was not allowed to even see a picture of this baby, because, and I'd never been called this before. She told the whole family that I was a witch, and that I was evil, demonic, and that I could not be near this child ever, ever. And so that's how I came to which school, I was like,
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oh, to look into what that actually means. Because it never has meant anything negative. For me, it's like with female empowerment. I'm gonna I'm not gonna be I'm not going to take this personal and fall into insult as it was intended as these women were young. And they were, they were hurting. And they were very, very mean. But they through their shadow. They were like Dark Angels who came to unconsciously teach me this lesson that guided me to the look finding on the on Facebook, Kiki had posted Lady of the Lake. And so my first experience with the women was skinny dipping with a bunch of strangers with my bestie, who brought I brought along thought I was just right, crazy. And I was looking for community and I was looking for connection because a lot of my healing work has been abroad all over the work world, a lot of my training has been with groups of people who don't live anywhere near me. And so the goddess circle in which school community gave me a local like minded community. And I went through which school and I said, I this is all stuff I know, I know it in my essence, I know it in my I teach it. This is this is I belong here. And that was when I started to embrace that I first I actually in which school felt threatened or like it wasn't like because it was things I already knew that there maybe wasn't going to be relevant. Or maybe I was to be what I was was more than a witch silliness. And it was through going through the process that I realized it was just another way of identifying and it refined it and that it took the work that I do in both the masculine and the feminine, and brought me into dancing deeply in the feminine with women who are seeking, seeking and questioning like I was, and that's how witch work became from get started with me and I went through witch school. And then Kiki reached out to me and I became a crone. And then Kiki reached out to me and she knew that I helped hosted and created Mary's many ceremonies for people. And I did her naming and cloning ceremony for her. And then next thing I knew I was teaching with which school Canada it's such a deep water and now which school Canada was my local community who that's now become a world community. So it's been magical. Yeah, it is. I'm also going through which school right now and it I think I underestimated the power of going from solo practitioner to communal sharing it really
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is a whole other
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a lot more energy. Yeah. But what's so interesting about your story also OSA is how the messages have come to you through other people. Or they're not It's not I they met not maybe not messages, but they're kind of like prompts or reaffirmation, reaffirming, you know, like, prompts to remember or something. But I see it is that, you know, we talk about the spark a lot in which work. And what is the spark? The spark to me is what people call God, Allah, Buddha, Jesus creator, that energy, that thing that is all of us, that is all of it.
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That it what is it that keeps us alive, you can't dissect a dead body and find it.
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And so I believe that that spark is,
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is God in us. And it is, it is the messenger and it speaks through breath and body. And it never lies. It is the voice of the heart. And that is how I've learned to do the work is get out of the way. And when I be aware of my ego, and the venom that can come from it, she's hilarious. And the only reason why she's so loud is because I only gets loud when I don't listen. Like a child, my mum, but my MA.
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And so yeah, I see messages from other people from nature, from television, TV books from everywhere. Did you ever feel scared of embracing? Because I couldn't even sense it from you from here, which is ours, or Colombia, hundreds of kilometers away across the screen, like there is great power. Were you ever worried about going there? Oh, yeah. And how did you support yourself to not I mean, I know you had your teacher and then you had which school. But I'd like to be clear that I never have one teacher.
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I always have more than one. Because I think one story is dangerous. And that has been a healthy way to move forward. It's the way you avoid cults. It's the way you avoid worship,
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which I don't think is healthy. It offers a lot of perspectives so that I can make my own choices and what I teach and what I practice is love. So learning how to love myself meant I had to learn how to that the pain that exists in my pain body, as Eckhart Tolle would say is what I refer to as my little boy, a little girl, the parts of me that were wounded other times that are not the mean now, which is my grown spirit so and that that mindfulness teaches us to be able to separate ourselves and see witness our own pain. And so simultaneously, I've developed the ability through the practice,
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in my practice, in the easy moments of repetition, how to change my brain to have new neuro groupings so that my eye and now I'm able to be completely terrified or angry, triggered inside, and yet choose how I respond. So I consider a spiritual path, synonymous with maturity, that I don't have permission to vomit my upset explosively, spontaneously all over everyone. If it happens, if I say it's just the way I am, that's a lie.
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It's a choice and unconscious choice for most people, but it's a choice. So if we actually practice mindfulness, and we take the responsibility of self, being self aware and honest with ourselves, and get that humble, eat that big chunk of stinky, humble pie,
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and realize that we lie to ourselves all the time, therefore, we're lying to everybody else. And if we aren't honest with ourselves, and our insights don't match our outsides, and we live in contradiction. And once we do that work and get that humble, and we're like going, Oh, you have a lot harder time judging other people, lest you be judged yourself. And over time you learn that every single thing that you see in another only you can see only because it exists in yourself, what you said about me earlier, you can only see that in me if you know it, which means it's our reflection of each other. So if someone pisses me off, I can spend a lot of time going right, right, right, right where, or I can remember use this as a symbol, one finger pointing out three pointing back at me and when that doesn't know what the hell it's doing.
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So the majority rules look in.
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I can't change them. But I also can decide whether or not they have rent in my head or not. So thank you for saying everything that you've just said. And there's so many like, places to go with that that was just an incredibly rich
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A bunch of words.
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But I want to talk about how to do this. Because it's just so interesting because I was like feeling like this power coming from you. And just thinking, this woman kind of has like something that's really working.
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And then I'm starting to think that I struggle with anxiety and depression at the same time. Yes. And my somatic therapist wants to talk about anger.
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And I've been trying to view right now. And so can we take everything that you've just talked about, like this spiritual path equals maturity, and bring it down a little bit to the ground level? And how can humans today and I'm going to tell you like,
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with the exception of one, maybe two of my friends, everybody is probably either self diagnosed as anxious or depressed, or both, and either medicating officially or self medicating in some way. So I'm just curious, like from that place. Can we talk about examples of like, emotional intelligence and this smart use of or use of mindfulness? Because that's what it's for. It's not just a word, right? It's a practice, and how an anger I want to know about anger, what angers role in all of this. So I'll start with the essence of it all, which is I believe that everything is fear, love. Fear is just love and resistance, therefore, everything is love. How do you know the voice of love it's infinite possibility and it always feels good. And the voice of love comes from the body and the breath. So there's no words. It's a knowingness. It's the mom arm. It's the walking into the room where you just know that somebody's super hot for you or there's been a fight in the room. It's a knowingness, everything that doesn't feel good as fear. And that means there's resistance, you can name it anger, you can name it. Sarcasm, aggression, withdraw, control, everything that doesn't feel good. There's infinite names for it. But if you simplify it down to oh, that doesn't feel good, that person scared, what does sphere need, fear needs not resistance and more fear, because then you're gonna play fear ping pong, which is welcome to planet earth. And what we are doing in this which work I believe in the rising of the feminine, is saying, Let's not fight, when someone is acting out, only hurt people hurt people, give them love.
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And the only way you can give them love is, first of all, give yourself love. We're all a bloody mess. It's hilarious. If everything that hurts us is funny. And if everybody understands that nothing is put in front of us to punish us, even if the person in front of us is telling us to punish us on a
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spark level, on a magic level, now, they think they're driving but really, they're just unconscious messengers of a lesson we're ready to learn. So anything that shows up, that's the other way I do it is anything that shows up that doesn't feel good, means I'm ready to let it go.
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And I there's two ways that learning happens, old onions and new onions. Anytime you have something to learn, you got to peel it away in layers. It doesn't just happen very often, like, as you work a new problem. As you get to the core, the onion gets sweeter. And it feels successful. As you move along. A old wound and old problem, a stinky old onion as you get towards the center is rotten and rancid. And so often people feel like they're failing at the point that they are actually succeeding. And having that knowingness in yourself that is this an old problem or a new problem? If it's an old one, then it's posed to get worse before it gets better. It's like giving birth.
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I asked my daughter I've almost scared her out of giving birth because I said it was more pain than I've ever known and 36 hours of labor are the shift change twice. But she forgets the part of the story where I felt like a superhero and I would have never given anything up in the world. For that miracle of her, nothing. I do it 100 times over. So we need to normalize suffering. People are training themselves to feel good all the time. When people come to me to work and do therapy, I don't I love you, but I don't need to hear a bunch of good times good is good. It's easy. It's done. Our character is defined who we are as defined on how we respond in the hard times. And so let's figure out how to navigate the hard times. Brene Brown says life is fall down get up. I agree. That's it. You're on a bumpy path.
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half of people chucking piles of poo at you. And meanwhile, you're kicking it up behind you. And carrying loads of goodwill is everything so stinky and heavy? Well, it's because you're carrying that shit around.
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Let it go. I just I really have this fantasy that I'll create a lazy river like the one at that waterpark. But it'd be like a spiritual water park where people have like a live experience where people are chucking things and running into each other along the lazy river. And it'd be like an experiential learning larious life and when people stopped, the lazy river is a lot of fun, and it's relaxing. But if you have a sense of humor, you can throw that shit with everybody else and get knocked off here in a tube. And if you look at it in a way that is fun, that which terrifies us becomes hilarious that what terrifies us becomes a lesson instead of a punishment. And if we learn to look at it from an our adult eyes instead of our child eyes, we'll do it better. So one of the things that I teach is figure out where you lost your innocence. Where did it start? Where was your original wound, for me, I was eight, almost nine. So when I'm under stress, I act like an eight year old. And I'm when I'm good at my job, because as soon as I find out what the original wound is, I know like, Oh, they're going to act like that. And when I pointed out to them, and they mindfully receive it, then they can separate themselves from that kid and start parenting their own inner child, and loving them the way they wish they were loved, which is the only reason why they're pissed in the first place is because they're holding on to the fact that they didn't receive love when they needed it. Again, that was long winded. No. And I can jump right into a therapy session.
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I do run a program that's called unedited woman that anyone can join. Right this year, I'm giving it away to pay what you can and even free if you can't pay. And it is teaching people how to do this we use the grace is and the chakras and every month, we work from the bottom and we're working our way up. And there's a workbook for those, like you those healthy masculines if they wanted their art, and it's it can be self guided, you can come on the calls if you want, they're all recorded, or you could never show up. But I'm trying to create a place with a toolbox to teach people how to do this. So that people can learn how to that they can maintain their own sanity, and navigate those times where create you feel crazy or broken, depressed or anxious. And find the tool, one doesn't work chuck it, grab another one. That because they're not there is no one fix. Let's talk about the Eye of the Storm tool. And where anger fits in, in all of this. Because I feel like you know, the shit that's being thrown at us a lot of the time is about how we should
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this could be like, you know, personally like just my own opinion, though, I have to say I do see it and people that I've worked with and friends and clients, that the shit thrown at us has a lot to do with social conditioning around what we should be and how I have I have a lot of it's gotta be you gotta get it right. So there's a lot of perfectionism and stuff and control. But you know, one of those messages one of those balls of shit is the message about anger for women. And that you shouldn't be it shouldn't be angry You shouldn't feel it not be it feel it. I got and right so how is that healing and so just for our listeners like so one of the one of the classes in which school OSA came in and she did this particular exercise which we're going to talk about and it was I'll just tell you getting angry was really hard for me and so I know where that anxiety experience and that depression is coming from but anyway you like so you've got the idea of should don't shy talking about shit don't shut all over yourself. Get rid of the word should think like Yoda Do or do not there is no try there is no should and that it's generally influenced on things you're not going to do. Just like try to try means I've already given myself an out control the illusion that you have control. I'll tell you what you have control over five things you ready? Your thoughts, your words, your actions, your energy and the response to your feelings because your feelings come from the spark it's God talk right? Everything else wait for it is none of your business because a tough one a big gig I had to swallow I didn't like but what a game changer every time you want to get up in someone else's business. Go do that work on you. Somebody has an hour just keep your mouth shut. Listen, feel and if you really need ask first anger when I divorced my first husband took me seven years that I was staying for the kids first thing both of them said to me
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separate from each other was, ah, finally, you were so angry, I go what?
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So angry that
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I'm like, I wasn't raising my voice, I never got angry, but they're like, You are terrifying.
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You have been so angry, and I had to sit down because our teachers, our children are our best teachers, especially the ones that are confident to say it exactly the way it is, I had to look at it. And I was I had been suppressing because I'm not comfortable with anger, because I was raised in the angry environment, a fighter world literally where we used to have a boxing ring set up basically in our living room and beat the crap out of each other as kids and I come from an a very people were who liked to say mean things in life afterwards. And think that that kind of Jibhi job, you know, that poking humor, it is funny. And so it took me that, that go to a Couples Retreat in Vermont to work with this couple that helped me realize my marriage was over. But what they taught me was about anger, and that anger, all emotions are valid. And this is for me, not them and not mine. It's universal. But that
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anger is an egoic motion, right? It's it's the big brother to what's underneath, which is the fear, the sadness, right? And an anger is charged. It's what gets off the couch. It gets us that depression is heavy and slow and internal. And this hard to move. Anger is the thing that transitions us off our butt into the change. So it's got great uses. Anger is what gets us through the day of work when we want to curl up and just be in bed all day. But there's a difference between clean anger and dirty and anger. And no one no adult, especially has the permission to freely vomit their anger in a dirty way over other people. So what is dirty anger dirty anger is name calling. Dirty anger is saying mean things just to hurt someone.
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Dirty anger is any form of violence. Dirty anger is raising your voice at someone clean anger is an example be like I am so mad at you right now. I can barely stand to be near you. Like I really can't. That's my truth. And you feel my anger. And I'm allowed it. But are you ready to have this conversation? Now? Can we do this while I'm angry? Or shall I be mindfully in my ego and go work on my anger for myself by a half for a half an hour, and then be able to come mindfully back to you in my heart and tell you the essence of what triggered that anger. I think it's a lot of fun to be angry with people.
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I want to open a place called the Greggory where people can come in, and there's a snatch room and a box like Axe Throwing and a boxing.
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You know, put the face of the person you want it bow and arrow, you know work out your violence, get it out physically. Let the masculine just like, get it out. And then on your way out, you have to go through a snooze all room. And if you don't know what a snooze room, they're in hospitals and places for people with special needs. And it's a sensory room that's full of like, love for all your senses. So there's things that touch that feel good and smell that feel good and see that feel good and hear that feel good. And so then you walk out to go through the drudgery and out through the snooze room and you're all done. Imagine how therapeutic that would be?
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Well, I'll tell you start is important. Yeah, it's just got cleaned, and you have to have permission to express it on or at anyone. I'm so excited by everything you said, first of all, I want my own Swizzle room, but I just realized that I probably have to have like an anger room next to it. Or life is contrast. Isn't that exactly as it must be? Yeah. But the other thing is that I was in kundalini, I'm all into Kundalini yoga at the moment on Saturday morning, and she said now this Kriya which is like an other an Asana. This kriya is all about anger. And I thought this is so interesting. Kundalini Yoga has a Korea on anger, and it was the best. It was essentially pounding at the floor for minutes and minutes. I think we did three to five minutes, I can't remember. And you actually get really quite physically tired, but you also get totally into it, and it becomes a trance. And if you manage to focus your energy on what you're angry about, there is a huge release. Like it's true. You know, it's anger. Therapeutic. Anger is physical. It's why it often ends in violence. But that's why it's best to know that and get it out like I was saying to my partner, we got to hang the punching bag this out
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We grew up with a punching bag and a box full of punching gloves, like go out in the yard and kick the crap out of it. Don't kick me kick it. Your ring, I'll come with you. Let's go kick and punch. Yeah, to give permission. Like if we deny violence, if we deny anger, purchase baked, that is the danger embracing it is healthy. Another thing my daughter taught me, no, she loves horror. It's her way to hits her way she dances with her shadow, she loves it, I don't like it. She loves it. I like a good, vile vent with one of my besties is one of my favorite just like let it out. And
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you know, I have lots of different ways. But also like to be able to express the aggression, that fear that can build in me my ego.
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I think it's also really helpful for people to name their ego, because that's where the anger is rooted. So mine, and in something that's funny and very relatable to you. So mine is the Tasmanian devil. Right away, you visually will see exactly what happens when I blow.
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You know, so I embrace that part of me. And I know if that gets the anger is out of control. It's because I haven't taken the time in my daily practice to self regulate and listen to my own emotions and unload the
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things that I haven't taken care of that created the pressure in my internal storage unit that that was to fall in blue. Tell me about the eye of the storm. Tell me about the concept of the eye of the storm, because I think you're we're kind of dancing around it. In it.
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We're dancing in it. And that's the that's the that's the gift. If I can save the world I will. But life is contrast there is no there is no light without dark. And so I used to empathize all the time. Empathy is you're in a dark hole, I'll come down there in your pain and show you that I have pain that can relate to it. And we'll both sit in our pain. Well, I listened to you talk about your pain. I do that for a living. Imagine how depleting that was. That's when people say I am an empath and I take on other people. I'm not trying to be machi although I know on my ego, it comes out that way. But like we're all empathic unless you're a psychopath or a sociopath, we're all empathic, and we get good at whatever we focus on. And often we focus on things that give us excuses for not regulating ourselves. But an empathic behavior is really just
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the same thing as empathy. I'm feeling because you're feeling and I'm going to make it about your feelings instead of my feelings. But really, your feelings are reflecting my feelings, that it's much better and more powerful feeling for me if I can say that I read other people, instead of actually heal myself. So the eye of the storm is learning how to be of it, but not in it. You know, I am part of this world and all of its edit entities. And sometimes I some people may even say to me that I am the storm, because the whatever you throw at me in my heart space, is just as gigantic. And it's, you know, that's the thing about being a healer or a witch or, or medicine person is that as we grow in spirit, we also grow an ego, don't kid yourself. And the rule is once you know you can't unknowing, the punishment is bigger when you know because ignorance is bliss, gentle teachings. So if you do something when you know you shouldn't, you're going to get it back in the store. But just mindfulness awareness, no one's no one. It's just like life. There's their me, there's no cage that we haven't self imposed. We are the authors of our light, and there's no lock, just like Storm, you can be in that tornado, realize it and get out. Come back into the middle. It's like changing anything in your life. You're stuck in a thought. That's the storm. Is there something you can do about it? If yes, do it, then pivot. If there's nothing you could do, it's just something you're like, No, right now, there's nothing I can do. Don't stay there, pivot. Anything else anything? Like wiggle your nose, clap your hands three times doesn't have to be super profound or really magical. It's do something different and you'll have a different outcome. And it doesn't mean be happy all the time. That's not that's not healthy or possible. It just means it's the Cherokee story of the White Wolf and the Black Wolf. They both exist the one you feed grows the Black Wolf is the store. The White Wolf is the eye they don't one does not die. It's like the concept in some practices, that you then enlightenment is something that you arrive at and then you die. I prefer the tantric to the classical concept that it's Shiva and Shakti are the heart and and the in the egg
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go dancing in and out of enlightened and all the time that we have moments in great orgasm at a good concert and a moment nature where we are. By accident, a lot of the time we find moments of enlightenment.
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It's where we ended up calling people our twin flame more. Where we feel good we're, we're when we find a place that we feel like we need to go back to, because that's the only place we can be happy. But what really what we're doing is we're giving away our own personal power. So the storm is whatever does not serve us. That doesn't feel good. And I is what feels good. So I am constantly all day long, aware of the storms around me, and I aid the way I help them is no longer going down the hole and empathy. I give my clients a brief understanding that I can relate. But I don't linger there doesn't help them. It doesn't help me. It creates trust really fast. But for me to help them change. What they need for me is to be compassionate. So that you'd be in the eye of the storm, one has to agree that if we go with the metaphor of the person being down the hole, I'm just going to be a light shining in my light will go over that hole. So when you're sitting in your darkness, I'm not far, but you'll come to me when you're ready. I'm not going down there to get you. But I'll stay close enough. That's why we need to collect all of us together in which work so that the light gets brighter because the darkness the storm needs light. But it's not go fix somebody per se it's fix yourself, be the light as often as you can, and learn to be okay with the dark bits. Yeah, it feels like it's about navigating the mess and going into those places.
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That not
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maybe not going and maybe honoring the discomfort without getting sucked in. And kind of big. But you know, the one thing that you said that I'm just going to be frank because I'm a Pisces, and I love to be alone all the time. But maybe that's why you're teaching. But I'm kind of annoyed that you said that the more enlightened we get, the bigger our ego gets like, that's a real downer. Oh, well, you know what, it's also it's the flaw in the healing community. I used to work at Gaia and I worked at Gaia Fest and Gaia fest is a beautiful festival. Don't get me wrong, I'm just using it as an example. And everyone's doing yoga and Kurdistan and swimming and loving each other and eating healthy food. And smiling and hugging. I'm walking the forest. And I'm finding people bawling their eyes out.
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in isolation. I go seek it out. Before I know it's gonna happen. Because so many people think that they have to be happy, happy, happy, happy, happy.
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And that they have to hide when they're not.
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And to me, yoga is not breath and mat. It's the mat is where we practice the eight limbs to see where we're at, to learn how to walk our day. That's same as Qigong, tai chi, meditation, Buddhism, the practice that we do for an hour or an hour and a half, whatever time we take. If we don't, it's just like people go to church, if
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you're Christian, or Jewish, or Muslim is on that one hour while you're at service, and then you don't serve the rest of the week. No good. We all need to learn how to be comfortable and being comfortable being uncomfortable. One of the most important ways I find to navigate discomfort to learn how to be in the eye is when I'm feeling sorry for myself, go out and do some service go out and help somebody. So I work a lot with special needs people with seniors, you know, I try and get back so that I will be humble my kids I used to make them watch vision television and be like, here you can sit down and watch it with these kids with their you know, malnourished bellies and no food and you can watch you on what TV here watch TV for half an hour. I'm like noon, and I'd make them colony projects. And I was like, add creativity. I'm like here learn this song and performance to the entire family and explain what it means.
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Yeah, well, you know, it's the opposite of what this whole like helicopter sheltering parents and now there's all this research talking about how we've got to let our kids fail and fall and make mistakes. Oh, they're closer to the ground. Yeah, good point. Okay, I have okay, this is one of my favorite questions. How would you define magic? So, Einstein quote, the quote that he said, there are only two ways to live your life one is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is though, everything is a miracle. I think miracle and magic are synonymous but in Western society in particular
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Magic is seen as something that the humans and demons do. And miracles are stuff that are sent by God, I really look at it more as we're all magical. And
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we see and are part of miracles. So the magic is the action. And the miracle is the result. It's like meditation and prayer. You know, meditation, prayer is the ask. And meditation is the listen. Yeah, I love that so much. I just sometimes, like there are moments of clarity when I think about this planet sort of floating around, you know, whirling around and the sun that's holding it all together, and all the other planets, and there are all these little humans going around thinking they're the center of everything. And Larry, just hilarious. It's hilarious and how we think we're different from the animals and plants around us. And how incredibly sophisticated and eloquent this balanced. cyclicals system is like, You're bad. Is it? Right? That is? That is the magic. And we are trying to explain it all in on data tables and websites. I just think it's a primate doesn't it doesn't have to, you know, Hollywood is not, you know, television hasn't necessarily done us justice as witches has it. You know, that idea that it's this evil thing and trickery on other people. And there are some people who vote on whose motivation is that. But I think in any belief system, you're going to have things that are extreme and not extreme, and you're going to have distortion and that when someone acts poorly, doesn't need to define an entire belief system. Well, I think it was also a sort of a, not, I'm not gonna say a systemic plan, but it it definitely served not to have wise women around and to create narratives that they were evil and dark, you know, nasty. This was once I heard, and I'm sorry, I don't remember the source. But it was so impactful that women are born, they are born with pain, we have our menstrual cycle, we give birth, we we know pain, unlike men who don't know pain, and so they create it. And that's where war comes from. Because pain is so important.
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And we because we are born in innately understand pain, have already gotten to the point where we understand the value of compassion. And that love is the answer. mothers know that.
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And we are all mothers, whether we birth or not, we're the mother Maiden, Crone. And why is which works so important right now? Because our men threw me to wheat to Black Lives Matter. Putin, Trump, Ford, we are at a place now, where no longer do people feel like they have to hide their shadows, their hide their hate in the shadows. They've come out from under the rug and out from behind the curtains. And right now it might scare a lot of people, that racism and hatred against women is so blatant. But the truth is, is that this is perfect. Because we don't have to they're there. They've come to us, they're screaming out. And if we go back to the principle that it is all just fear, love. The only thing we all collectively need to do is the eye of the storm, is let our light shine, be love, see love, give love, receive love. And they like our children. They don't learn by what we tell them. They learn by what we do. Men archetypally they don't want to hear us they want they want to know what to do. I've heard that before. Right? And
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woman who is identifies more as a masculine, right? It doesn't need to be gender based. But yes, so I've heard before and I want to get this right. But that piece will come when it's our menstrual blood that we returned to the earth. Because right now it's the blood of men and pain and war that is being returned to the earth that we need to switch that around. And so I just feel like that's completely aligned with what you're talking about. Yeah. And if you think of Mother Earth the way that they say return it to the mother Well, the concept of Mother Earth and the woman the feminine is that we take then she takes the negative and transforms it back to the positive. So we take all our shit she turns it into fertilizer and things grow from it. literal example.
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We as mothers we as healers, we as witches
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We need to embrace that. And say, there is no stopping the shit from flying. We need to stop taking it personally, and accept that it's our this is our time in history we are we are great in powerful beings at a magical time in history, we are part of the shift out of the 1000s of years of the unhealthy masculine. And we played our part we are, we must not see ourselves just as victims, we chose it. We stayed just like any relationship of abuse. I stayed in an abusive relationship. Even though I teach this, we women who stay in our unhealthy feminine without a healthy masculine get stuck. We don't move because it is the masculine that moves us. That gives us logic over feeling to take action. And so here we are, either. It's like when people want to talk to me about, like, have me on a board because I'm brown or, you know, I'm the token woman, the token brown person, I can be pissed about it, or I can advocate and I can accept that it is my birthright, my soul agreement, because otherwise it gets really heavy. And if I see it as a victim, I will be a victim because I am whatever I say I am. I like saying I'm magic.
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Well, I like witnessing your magic. And I hear what you're saying, as an invitation and call into our power to alchemize mm and not feel like you're alone. Part of the healthy feminine is community.
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There is no strength in proving you can do it alone. Just because you can doesn't mean that's the right thing to do. And why do that?
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If you just I'm saying the power of doing which school being in a group.
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It's why people love concerts and sports games, it's not really what's happening. Because you can get a better quality of sound and see the game more specifically on television or on a stereo. It is the collective energy of love. When people aren't thinking the unconscious, if I could create it as a painting, it would be rainbows dancing around everybody, like a singing bowl carries it through you and around you and above you. That energy, beautiful movement that inspires and heals heals us.
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Thank you so much for for sharing your wisdom here today and your energy and I think lifting all of us up through through truth, right like not through Rainbow Unicorn toxic positivity that we've all been dished out. It's part of, you know, subject to the spirituality, industry, but as real life truth, and that to say that, when I was reading one of your questions, you know,
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we are all all of it. I say this to whoever is listening, magic isn't limited or owned by any group of people. We are all magical. And when we find something that we find our magic in,
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Don't hoard it. And don't let your ego take over and put yourself on a pedestal thinking you're above anybody, because that's not magical at all. And you'll fall, stay humble. And realize that whatever you work at, you'll get good at. And if you work at being a victim, you'll be a great victim. If you work at separating, you'll be a good separator. But this is the time for us to come together and accept and love each other. And realize that any of us can teach this and learn it and be it. Thank you. You're welcome. It's been a privilege. Thank you for this opportunity.
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